steve rogers was an irish-american with disabilities growing up in 30s new york in a gay neighborhood and some people actually believe he would be conservative
What disabilities did steve rogers have pre-super serum?
Did the new movie give him a new backstory?
all I have seen is basically a chronic illness list of like asthma for example and a couple other things that looked more like speculation based on him having lots of regular person sorts of illnesses.
which could be POTENTIALLY disabling but having asthma doesn’t make you disabled automatically. Just ask my gym teacher who loved to throw around her asthma diagnosis to discredit my gym excuse notes (i was misdiagnosed with it in highschool)
also I am really not that comfortable with all the posts I’ve seen acting like A CURE STORY is representation, because it really doesn’t count. It’s like claiming characters who got rebooted straight/white/skinny/abled etc. still count.
I also am not a fan of the “steve is clearly an ally because he lived in gay neighborhood” considering I am from a tiny town which is so pro gay you could have public gay makeouts at my highschool (in 2002) without anything bad happening and according to mom literally every adult I knew other than her was openly homophobic. Including the parents of some of the kids doing the making out. One of my friends got kicked out of her house even.
And I know lots of progressive people from the deep south bible belt area sooooo.
Not saying steve isn’t an ally or whatever just that this argument is kind of no.
steve also has heart trouble and high blood pressure, anemia, anxiety, stomach problems, scoliosis, astigmatism (poor eyesight), hearing impairment, and according to some sources joint hypermobility; any of these things might be considered disabilities and certainly would have been in the thirties.
additionally this post isn’t strictly about representation. i agree that the portrayal of steve rogers being cured of his physical disabilities is shitty but that’s literally not what i was talking about
I have bolded things you named that I have personally been diagnosed with and have been symptomatic of since childhood
I didn’t identify as disabled until 3 years ago
My point was chronic illness ≠ disability automatically. Disability isn’t just a state of being it’s an identity and a lot of people with those conditions don’t identify as disabled.
I also did not give a single fuck about other disabled people for most of my life because I didn’t think I was disabled and was taught I was better than disabled people. this list of conditions happen to be ones I was told were not bad or disabling for most of my life so I was told I was “normal”.
Actually I would say I was possibly worse than average with ableism because if I was “normal” I assumed equally impaired people to be “normal” too and therefore lazy.
So my point is if you are using “was disabled” as evidence of someone’s political opinions you should probably have something saying they identify that way because being a cripple didn’t mean shit when everyone told me I wasn’t.
internalized isms are like that
My point is also, none of these things make you automatically not conservative.
Conservative is not one strict kind of person anyway. Almost every liberal I know offline in my shiny liberal state of Massachusetts is extremely ableist to the point I am afraid to ever discuss personal things around me and I know self identified conservative republicans who are feminists who are careful to include even disabled and transwomen who get left out usually.
So that is the problem I have with the post. It’s not against the characterization as much as the label assignment based on an argument that assumes that experiencing x always = y.
I am sure Steve would be very pro health care access and reform and against denying jobs to disabled people, but this largely has to do with his personality not just the fact he was chronically ill as a kid. He’s just that sort of guy he likes to help people.
A lot of people get better and turn around and act like everyone who didn’t/can’t just didn’t try. A lesser man could easily say he deserved to get better because he was willing to try a dangerous treatment the same way I have doctors regularly shame me for not wanting to try medication closely related to ones I am dangerously allergic to.His environment might contribute but yeah I’m sure some people who grew up the same way are awful bigoted assholes.
This is important. The post has always kind of felt really iffy to me, and I think Kat finally helped me understand why.
Steve isn’t how he is because of where or how he grew up. It’s not that those things had no influence on who he is now, it’s that people are made up of many different things and someone else who went through all of that could actually still be an asshole and a massive conservative.
Your life experiences are part of what shape you, but they’re not all of it. People are not exempt from being bigots just because they face some oppressions, and claiming they are is what causes some people to claim they cannot have x bigotry because they are part of y marginalized group.
So while it’s silly that people project completely ooc political beliefs on him, it’s not silly because of the things he grew up with or around, it’s silly because it ignores who he is.